Essential Knowledge for Gun Owners: Navigating Everyday Carry, Firearm Safety, and Ammo Selection

Hi, welcome to the Arm Guardian Podcast, season two, episode three. Today, david and I will be discussing basic terms and definitions for the novice gun owner, so sit back and enjoy today's episode. Our sponsors for this episode are Right to Bear Legal Protection Plans and Blackout Coffee. There'll be more details in the show notes and during the show. Also, don't forget, january is Human Trafficking Awareness Month. Last episode we had Crystal Milan on to discuss how you can get involved and help prevent human trafficking. So if you get a chance, go back and listen to our last episode. Season two, episode two with Crystal. Hey, how you doing, david Tonight?

Doing pretty good, mr Brian, how are you doing?

Doing pretty good. Just winding down the day, I knew we had to get this episode recorded and get ready for some of the other upcoming episodes. So a busy weekend to the start. Yes, well, today, kind of you know topic came up I've approached you with about definitions and terminology that you know new gun owners may not be familiar with, or you know even some of the things that other people may not be aware of, and just felt that might be a good topic for us to dive into here and see what you thought of. And, you know, you kind of went with it. So, yeah, go from there and see what we can come up with today. So, when we were talking about some of the terminology, why don't you start it off with one of the ones that you brought up and we'll go? You know, we'll kind of alternate back and forth a little bit.

Yes, sir, one of the ones I think we commonly hear in the Times World of Me and you were talking about it the other day, and you see it in all the catalogs and magazines and you hear it when you go to the gun store or whatever is everyday carry EDC, as we like to call it, the acronym Pretty simple, but you know what does that mean? And for me I think it's you know, I look at it like this it is must have items that you need to protect yourself, your family or maybe another, possibly another third party, right, and some people go into more things than that you know. But that's I mean we could go as broad or big, but some of the issues, as far as from a self-defense standpoint, we can get some of the other stuff in a minute. The type of gun or weapon we carry, right, and then you know the ammunition. Maybe you know extra magazines. You had mentioned first aid kits, the different kinds of first aid kits. Those are all our examples. Carrying a knife, a multi-tool that's one of my favorite things to carry a multi-tool. This is a very useful tool for many things. You had mentioned about the two types of first aid kits that we carry. Would you like to elaborate on that a little bit?

Yeah, For your EDC. You know you're wanting to carry something that you have readily accessible to kind of take care of any emergency first aid that may come up on yourself or a loved one or someone that's in your proximity that you can safely attend to in a shooting you that may get injured. Most of your EDC first aid kits are going to have a chest seal, some sort of clotting bandage, a tourniquet and could have a few other things. But that's the three things that typically most EDC first aid kits have and those come in a variety of wear positions. Some of them are ankle-borne, some you can carry on in your belt, Just several different ways that you can carry them that they come with. And then you've got your general first aid kit, one that maybe you keep in your vehicle with you. That's accessible, that's more wider coverage, has more things in it that you may can get to save or to use to take care of the circle of life or the immediate response until first responders can get there. And those typically will have more general stuff like antiseptics, gels, Tylenol type pain medicine, stuff like that, not necessarily EDC your tourniquets and stuff like that, Although I would recommend having additional tourniquets, chest seals and clotting agents in your general first aid kit, because your EDC kit may take care of yourself, but if you're able to get to your big first aid kit, that would be something that would help you if there were multiples. So just something brief and simple to talk about, just a little clue or heads up. Next month we'll be having an interview with a first aid person that will go into more detail on this and some of their thoughts and everything. But yeah, we're going to be hitting. I think the first aid is one of the lost topics. When it comes to concealed carry, Everybody thinks firearm, ammo, maybe other less lethal options, but typically the first aid kit's not. It's a lower priority and I think it should be a higher thought of priority. Yes, sir, yes sir, and also another thing I was going to say something that you mentioned with everyday carry. Why don't you? If you don't mind, you will alternate that Let everybody know what your EDC or your everyday carry gear is, and then I'll pitch in and tell you what mine is. So people kind of get an idea that it's what that shooter or what that person feels that they need or they're comfortable with, but something that you should carry every day, every time. Not like and we've talked about this before I'm just running down to the store, I'll just leave my weapon here. Nothing will happen in the two miles down to the store and back or anything like that. So, plus your everyday gear set up.

Yes, and one thing I'd like to say before. That is, as I was, as we were talking and I was listening, I was thinking, you know, for me personally and I think for most people, but this would be my thing I mean, you can get, you know, crazy with it and carry big backpacks and a lot of stuff and you can carry as much stuff as you want, but when we're thinking everyday carry, we're thinking stuff that we can carry on our person without carrying much extra weight. If we're carrying packs, it should be a small slim pack, crossbody or a small, very small backpack or maybe a fanny pack. I mean, none of those things used to be very popular, still are for a lot of people. So I'm thinking things like that, if we carry packs at all. So whatever we carry should be able to fit on our belt, At least for me. This is how I kind of look at it. I'm like I said, different people are different and you know if you, whatever you can carry, carry or whatever you feel like you need, but what I can carry on my belt and my pockets Like you said, you had mentioned having it on the ankle you know things that I could put on my ankle if possible, and things so I can move comfortably and move on an unencumbered as much as possible. So for me, just talking about some of the things, enough. I like to have enough.

Yeah.

I mean, I know that's not really a self-defense thing, but I don't know what time it is. You know, you know, and I know we can use our phones, but I don't know. I just like a watch, but not for watch, a multi-tool, that have to be a big multi-tool. I know, excuse me, you can get. You know the real, the ones with all the saws and everything on them. Those are great. I'm not, I'm not knocking them at all, right, but they are kind of cumbersome. But just a small one with some pliers, a knife on it, screwdriver, phillips head, flat head, Just just basic stuff like that. The one I have has some wire cutters on them too. So you could do any kind of basic. You know clearing them out, functioning the firearm, whatever basic stuff you need, right. And you know knives. There's many different kinds. I mean you've got the assisted opening, you've got the, the old timers. I like I have. I mean I have a little bit of of all of them. Right now I'm carrying a Swiss Army knife. That's kind of what you know. I carry different ones at different times, but I carry my Swiss Army knife. It works really well To me. The tweezers on the Swiss Army knife are born under the best tweezers and the scissors are excellent. But that's, that's a topic for another day. But those are some things. Another thing a flashlight doesn't have to be big. Once again, we're not talking about a big old mag light or stream light or anything like that. That's up to good. Carry it, maybe, keep it in your car Right. Just a small flashlight Maybe, I don't know. I would say no more than 300 lumens tops, probably more like 150 to 100, just something small, yeah.

Now you could get by with a 60 lumen. 120 is tip, 120 to 150 is what I see most for the smaller compact tactical lights or pocket lights. And yeah, that's how you can get these 10,000 lumen soul searcher lights and you can kind of wave down NASA with. But those aren't those aren't great to have. Edc. That's not practical.

No, sir. So for me, light or multi tool, knife, light watch, I believe in something else, the farge weapons, something small I mean, I mean not too big. You know I'm not trying to carry the 44 Magnum, smith and Wesson with an eight inch barrel, right, they're fun to shoot, they're expensive to shoot, but not what I'm trying to carry every day. Right, you know, I carry a small 9 millimeter pistol for my everyday carry or a small revolver, but whatever works for different people. But I mean, you could carry big and, I guess, different. You know I'm not trying to discourage anybody, whatever you're comfortable carrying. But right, you know, I want something that I can carry all, carry all day, or carry, you know, every day and be comfortable because it is every day. Carry, right, and then I carry an extra mag or, if I'm carrying a revolver, an extra speed loader or two, but at least, at the very least one. Right, because if I have a jam, I have a malfunction, whatever, I'm ready to go.

Yeah.

So at the bare minimum, that's. That's what I like to carry. I'm getting into the first day thing More and more, but that's not something that I have made a priority until recently. So but I know you, you are very much, you know, you brought me along on that a lot, so yeah, yeah, anything else on your EDC that you tend to carry on a daily.

That's pretty much that's.

that's pretty much it from a you know from a day to day thing. Now, sometimes I may carry you know differently or you know more or less, but as far as what I keep on my person, those are the main items that I like to keep.

Okay, my setup is typically my compact block, that I carry my nine millimeter. Now I carry the compact, I carry the 43 X and it adapts to where I want to carry it, whether I want to carry it in a two o'clock position, three o'clock or four o'clock. Four o'clock is four and two o'clock are my favorite positions and there's some reasons behind those. But I carry that at least one spare magazine, because if you have a jam and the magazine malfunctions when you're shooting or you got to clear a jam, then if you got to replace the magazine and you don't have a spare with you, then you're just kind of got a paper weight there that you're throw at them. But you have magazine. I carry a pepper spray with me, carry a tactical pocket knife Now I haven't carried the multi-tool, but something I'm kind of looking at because, if not necessarily on me close by, then I carry a first aid kit, a small flashlight. I'm getting back into looking into compact batons like a cube of ton or a mini expandable baton, possibly just because both of us have law enforcement experience and we've used those. Now that can be useful when maybe you don't have deadly, can't use deadly force, but still justified in use force, so that may be something that you can use to ward off an attacker, ward off an animal. You're walking in the neighborhood and you got a dog that attacks you, a pepper spray or a baton without resorting to a firearm in the attack or the threat by the dog. But that's typically my setup and I'm constantly evaluating it. It's not something that I'm set in stone. I'm always looking and thinking you know, what should I carry? Different times that I'm going, my EDC may change a little bit, but typically it's a consistent thing. Anything else on EDC that you wanted to cover?

I think that covers it pretty good right there, I guess. Moving on, one of the things we talked about was and we can look at this for a minute but cover and consumer. We hear those terms tossed around a lot in the self-defense world. So for somebody I know a lot of people take it for granted, but for somebody new to the world of self-defense and maybe doesn't have any military or law enforcement or security type experience, can you define those terms for them Right and kind of like an overview? Wouldn't talk about that for a little bit?

Yeah, yeah, no, sometimes people get them mixed up or they think they're one and the same, but no, they actually have a different. There is a difference between cover and sealment. Cover typically is protection that will protect, something that will protect you from direct fire, like concrete pillar behind the engine block of a vehicle, a brick wall possibly. It's just something that will protect you from that threat of incoming fire. Concealment is something that's just basically going to hide you. No better terms. Say, you're at a restaurant eating and there's a situation that goes down. You can push over the table and if you're sitting at a table, push the table over, that's going to offer you concealment that will hide you for a short period of time until you can escape or find cover. And that's typically the differences in them. Did you have anything else on that that you wanted to dive off into?

No, sir, I think you covered that pretty well, I guess, to be specific, and you kind of talked about the block walls and the tables. But to give some other examples, I guess, of cover versus concealment, and some of these are not, you know, in different situations that may or may not be dependent on you know. You know one. To me, of course, block walls would be a good one For cover. Other cover would be, for instance, on a car, the engine block, the axle area. There could be possibly one, although it's, I guess, dependent upon the angle. I'm trying to think of anything else. Some examples of, oh, like an outside in nature, you know, a tree, depending on the size of the tree. I mean, a hundred plus year old oak tree would probably be good cover. Three year old sapling is not, is going to barely be good concealment, you know.

Right.

So you've got to kind of, you know, so a tree could possibly be as far, as concealment outside would be shrubbery, I mean, you know some kind of bush, and of course, in the house.

I mean, it's not going to stop a bullet, but it'll offer you some concealment, your bed, some concealment, yeah.

And I mean the bed, depending on how big and thick and whatever you know it may you know it could be kind of a in between a little bit, I guess. Possibly, I mean, depending on you know, that seems pretty heavy, heavy beds and mattresses and set ups Right. So but as a general rule, yeah, as it's concealment, and so those are some things to me. And drywall, drywall is especially one that I think people forget. Same with, I mean, of course, in the movies, you know it seems like car doors stop more bullets, but in reality, you know, the car doors means a concealment, not cover, as are, I would say, most doors, unless you've got like a solid steel door or some kind of bulletproof door on your house. Most, even wood doors are probably, depending on the thickness, I would say, more concealment. I mean your thoughts on that.

Well, a solid wood door or a solid metal or a metal door would be a little bit better. But think about the difference in your home style. You know you've got a brick home. That what's? A lot of these homes have in their front door glass, stained glass, some sort of edge glass or something. It's not a solid door typically, so that door is actually not going to be as useful for cover. And think about your core doors for, like, mobile homes and stuff. Those are just thin sheets of metal with fiber filler in between them and they're not going to stop a bullet, they're going to barely stop anybody from coming in.

Yes.

So I agree.

So I mean, so those are definitely things. So, and I'll say this, and I think I'm safe in saying this and, if you know, just just your thoughts on it but it seems to me a lot of times more, more of the items we come in contact on a day to day, or the things around us most of the time are more consulment than actual cover Right when it comes to. So that's just something I think that we need to be mindful of.

Yeah.

And some may provide better consulment and even may slow down a bullet or divert, divert A bullet, but they're not purely cover, I guess. Is what I'm trying to say, right, yeah, so anything else on that, I think that's you know. I just want to kind of talk a little bit about that, I guess.

Yeah.

Oh.

I think that's. That's pretty good. So our next, some of our next topics, are the different types of weapons. We hear scattergun or something like that. You want to dive into some of those different types of firearms that we refer to frequently.

Yes, of course, in the firearms community we have what, what the proper names are. I guess we can call it. You know the, and then of course we have the. I guess we'll call it slang. I think that's probably the best word. You know our slang words for stuff. So you know, these are some of the ones and we had talked about before. But the scattergun you had mentioned just mentioned it, it's oftentimes, I guess, a slang reference to a shotgun. So I guess slang would be the best word to use for it. But reference to a shotgun, so it can be any kind of shotgun 12 gauge, 20 gauge, double barrel pump, semi-auto, it doesn't matter. And the reason for that I guess the science behind it is, of course, you know, for people that are, that are new to the, to the gun gun world I don't want to, you know, assume any thing, you know, this is educational for everybody. But of course a shotgun, it, unless you're shooting slugs, it shoots BBs and pellets. So they spread out when they come out the barrel and of course the further they go, the wider they spread Right as they come out the barrel and go down range. So hence the term scatter, because the pellets scatter and they cover a wide range of target. Of course, the smaller you know and a little bit of things on a shotgun shelf, the bigger the number, the smaller the pellet or the BB in it. So you know, if you've got a number, eight shot very tiny and there's a lot, of, a lot of little BBs in it, so it's going to have a big scatter pattern versus, say, you know, five shot, four shot or even double-locked buck. I mean there's a bunch of others. I've visited in an all inclusive episode on shotgun shells, but yeah, yeah, and just something.

Anything you want to shotgun was larger the number, the smaller the pellets or BBs are. But you know, for a self defense it may be something good to scare somebody away, but you're not going to have as much energy by those impacts of those smaller BBs or pellets. Whenever you're shooting at your thread or something, then you would, with a double lock buck or something like that, a number one or two shot. So some things to think of. And I've heard some people say well, I've got a bird shot in my gun, I've got a gun behind the door. Okay, now, that may scare somebody but it's not going to do, typically, a whole lot of damage. They're still going to potentially be able to Can you an attack or maybe they'll run off, but it's not guaranteed. It's not. The smaller the number, the better. The self defense round is for home defense.

Yes, sir, absolutely, and I would agree with that, that 100%. So that's kind of this idea of scattergun. Um, you know another one, another one that's very popular we hear, we hear a lot is I've even heard some people refer to him as cowboy guns.

Yeah.

But you know, of course, you watch the old John Wayne movies or westerns, you can understand why. But uh will guns a revolver, and it can be double action, single action, it doesn't matter, and you know, once again, it's a slang word for a revolver, or slang term, I guess, and you know, for a revolver. But revolvers have been around a long time. Yeah, probably actually. I guess, outside of the single shot musket pistol, they're probably one of the older. I mean, I'm not as familiar with antique guns as some people would be, but they're probably one of the most used pistol out there.

Yeah, and I think we, if I remember, we just delved into that topic a little bit back with our revolver episode with Brian Eastridge. I think we went into a little bit of the history of it. We didn't go off into a big part of it, but you know, we mentioned a little bit about how long they have been around and everything and we're discussing that for EDC or self-defense.

Yes, so that would be one for another, one for gun terminology. Another one that I hear quite often is lever gun, which of course is would refer to the lever action rifle. They've got another one that's been around for a long time yeah, Since I would say the. I'm pretty positive it's the mid-1800s, I'm not sure the exact date or anything. Once again, I'm by no means an expert on firearms antiquity, but they've been around a while and they work. Otherwise they wouldn't have been around so long. But when you hear people refer to lever guns, that's why they're referring to a lever action gun. And if you're not familiar with that, it's once again, look back at the old westerns. Watch a John Wayne movie, one of those old western movies, and you see them. You see the bonanza gun smoke.

I kind of equate the lever guns to the same style as the revolver because you've got to work the lever to eject the casing and load the next round in, just like a revolver where you press the trigger and it rotates that cylinder. In essence it's the same theory and like our semi autos and the semi automatic rifles that are out there that work on the semi auto platform, so lever gun to me is kind of equates to the old style revolver, the revolver of the rifles.

Yes, and I agree with you, and of course I mean it's been around for a long time and I think the simplicity of it, of the way the action works, is what keeps, make some. So I make you know the longevity there is so good, and we had mentioned briefly, just I guess that's all that I have on the terminology for guns, unless there's anything else that you might have.

Well, no, we've mentioned too about the and it's the hot dead topic out there with the AR platform rifles. You know what you mentioned an AR rifle to somebody, or AR 15. No, what's the first thing that someone non gun comes up to? I've even seen some gun people call the AR 15, no, an assault rifle, and that's not what it is. You know, technically the AR is stands for armor like rifle. It's nowhere near a assault rifle. The AR is the civilian platform of the military version of the M16, which the M16 is something that even it's a short to medium range military rifle. It's not a typically used for long distance snipering or anything like that. And people get the AR that assault rifle and there also the terminology for that platform is the modern sporting rifle, the MSR. That's where a lot of people referring to those that platform as a MSR rifle. So that's anything else on that one that you want to hit on.

Yes, and actually nothing. That's really good. I mean a really good point because, like for me, you know, of course, the armor like rifle came from. I believe that was the and I'm I believe this is right. But the armor like company, if I'm not mistaken, was the one that designed or had the original pattern, or designed it, something like that. I'm not sure the exact, but anyways, all that being said, you know, of course that's where the AR came from and a lot of people have, you know, don't really understand that, but I think that MSR is a much more, you know, in that terms been tossed around a lot over the last, you know, the recently, I guess, and I think it's much more accurate to describe that rifle platform, the modern sporting rifle, because I mean that that's really what it is and what people use it for, whether it be target shooting or hunting or, in some cases, you know, self-defense. But it covers a wide range of applications that people use it for a wide range, and I think that's one of the reasons why it's become one of the more popular sporting rifles of modern times, I guess.

Right.

So I think that that term modern sporting rifle MSR is the acronym is a much more accurate description. Yeah, I mean your thoughts on that.

Well, no, most gun owners that are lawfully obtaining firearms for their personal use or whatever. They're not getting that platform to assault people or to go after people. They're using it for self-defense or hunting and sport related actions. So the MSR, I think, is a more fitting term for the platform, because that's basically what we are we're sportsmen. Anybody that uses it for anything other than self-defense or sportsmen activities, they probably shouldn't be having a firearm to begin with. They have some illegal or criminal aspirations that we don't as ascribe to being lawful gun owners.

Yes, absolutely Absolutely. And also we had talked about a little bit beforehand and this is a big acronym as far as I guess acronym SUP, I guess we'll call it, but ammunition. There's a whole lot of acronyms and different terminologies out there for different types of ammo and we wouldn't be able to cover all of them. I mean, that could be an episode in and of itself and maybe a good one to do in the future, but just a general idea on some of them, one of the ones that comes to mind that we hear a lot or we see a lot. We go to the gun store, we buy a box of ammo and for new gun owners, new people coming into the shooting community, I show up at the gun store, I'm buying a box of ammo. Of course we see all these different JHP, fmj, you know. Would you like to talking about those? Because some of them are more popular, especially for semi-automatic people. What they mean?

kind of a little bit about them, okay yeah, the FMJ is your basic training flanking type round. It stands for full metal jacket and what that is is the bullet. The lead bullet is encased by either a polymer or a copper coating and it helps reduce any lead fouling. It's not preferred for self-defense, although if that's what you've got at the time and you're using and have to defend yourself, people have to be aware of over penetration whenever they shoot with a full metal jacket. Being in the military both of us you know ball ammunition. We got the 5.56 ball ammunition for our rifles, our pistols and that's just the military version of no-mining plaiture for full metal jacket. So you may hear somebody refer to 9mm ball ammunition and it's the same thing as the full metal jacket. It's just the military no-mining plaiture for that. Another target shooting or training round that you can use is a frangible. These are designed to break apart on impact with a backstop or a metal plate if you're shooting at steel targets. These are widely used at indoor ranges and they help reduce the risk of ricochet whenever you are shooting at flat-faced objects like steel or an indoor, the backstop at an indoor range or something. Hollow Point, hp or JHP. It's a bullet with a cavity that's carved out of the nose and the intent is to make the projectile open up or what we call mushroom upon impact, to create maximum energy and to affect the eternal organs for somebody in a self-defense situation. So it's just a hollow, pointed, full metal jacket. It's got a little cavity that's inside or in the tip of it and then whenever it impacts its target it does what we call that mushroom, where it spreads out and basically looks like a mushroom whenever you look at it. You've got your revolver shooters with semi-wad cutters. That's a type of a flat nose bullet mostly used in target shooting, but can also be used with a hardened lead bullet, and those are popular in revolvers 38, 357, 44 magnums. So you'll see those, for I haven't the semi-wad cutter, I haven't seen one for a semi-auto, but just thinking the way that they're made or the way that they look with the flat nose it's almost like a 40 caliber bullet, but it's shaped differently. So we've got that. And then you wanted to bring up a point about the plus P and plus P plus ammo.

Yes, sir, yes sir, and I think that's one thing that's important. You know, you've got your plus P and now even your plus P plus ammo, although I've seen it. But I'm not really messed with the plus P plus at all, just because I mean it may work for some people and I'm not. I'm not trying to, you know, whatever works for people, hey, if it works, you know. But some things to think about for that to me is do I really need that much power? And basically the plus P means plus penetration. So a lot of them have a little more power in them. They're gonna have a little more velocity, of course, which is going to translate into more energy downrange. But and I do, you know I have and do use the plus P. The one thing with the plus P, though, you need to be careful, because you see that and this is for new gun owners you need to make sure your gun can handle the, because it has more power in it. There's increased pressures, right, and so making sure that your gun can handle that. So whatever gun you're carrying and you know, a lot of times it'll say an owner's manual hey, you know, this gun, you know rated for plus P or whatever, plus P, plus prop maybe, but a lot of them are, you know, rated for, but then there's a lot that aren't. So looking in your owner's manual number one and then secondly, if you're not sure, call your the manufacturer of your gun, ask them if it'll, if it'll do it, before you shoot the plus piece, but also knowing that, like, if you're looking and I know some of the popular ones I've seen, or calibers that use the plus P designation, I've seen it in 9 millimeter, I've seen it in I know 9 millimeter, 38 special. I'm trying to. I've never I have not seen it in like 10 millimeter or 40 or 45, I don't think. But now you may have, but it seems like the more popular calibers I see it in, or 9 millimeter and 38 special, yeah, that's.

That's the more popular because that's more what's being used for personal protection by people. You got some that'll carry the 40s, like I still occasionally will carry my compact 40, but you got some that'll carry it 10 millimeter for their EDC. No, that's a big gun from in my thoughts for caring, but my favorite line is you do you boo?

yeah, yeah. I mean, if it works for people, then then then I'm all for it. I mean I'll say this 10 millimeter, I've shot them before. They have a lot of kick, but they're really fun to shoot. They really are. So you know, and if you can handle it and you like it, then then, hey, more more power to you, yeah and and I literally mean that, you know, and no, home improvement, more power, I mean you're gonna definitely have that, yeah, yeah. So the plus P, basically, you know, as you're buying ammunition, just check your boxes. You know, when you're buying 9 millimeter, if it does say plus P, make sure your gun can shoot it before you, before you use it. Also, with that. Another thing on the plus P, with that increased powder gonna come more recoil. So if you're you know, if you don't handle the recoil real well, no problem, but you might not, probably don't want to shoot plus P, right, because it's gonna definitely add recoil to. And another thing is, you know, if you're shooting an older gun once again talking about checking on his manual stuff and your 38 specials if you've got an older 38 special, you probably don't want to shoot the plus P's out of it. It may handle it for a little bit, but you know, I would, personally I would be a little little careful of firing the plus P's out of it, especially before checking with a gunsmith or or owners manual anything like that so just be real careful with the plus P's. They're out there, they're good for certain things. Just keep keep that in mind. We had also talked about self-defense around. I heard people say that a lot referring to self-defense rounds, you know that can include the JHP. I mean it can include other bullets. I would say to me you know, you know, I mean, it could really include. But most time people are referring to JHP or what other bullets could they be referring to when talking about self defense rounds?

just to do some idea some of the things that are being marketed out there for self-defense round may rounds may not be what you want to carry. I've heard some people that these rip rounds, rip rounds, those look like they do awesome in a self defense create the maximum amount of trauma to your attacker to stop the attack. But I don't see, and I haven't researched it enough for myself to decide that that would be around, that I would want to carry just because it's a newer round. But there's not a whole lot of real-world documentation of people using them. So the reliability, I'm not sure. You know the jacketed hollow point or the hollow points have been around for a long time and they've been, they've proven themselves so that. And you got some of the hollow points that have, like Hornadies, critical duty that's got the little neoprene tip in it that helps control the expansion. You've got your federal HST. That's got Hydra shop. That's got the little stub or I call it a pole. But no, the little thin tip inside the hollow point that helps control, just like the Hornadie helps control the expansion to maximize that expansion in the threat. There's a bunch of specialty rounds. My what I tell people, my concealed classes that I teach, is check with your local law enforcement, see what rounds they use and if they're using a what. What they're using would be a good self-defense round. If you got into a situation where you did shoot somebody with one of those specialty rounds that created more than what most people would think of, I think you might be opening yourself up to maybe a few legal problems that you wouldn't have to address if you were shooting just the standard save around or the HST or the critical defense or something like that, something that is more reliable. That would be what you got to think beyond carrying it. You know, if I got into a legal situation, what would the rent, how hard would it be for me to defend myself for using that that round? If my local police department is using that or sheriff's department is using a certain bullet and I'm using it for self-defense, then I'm probably not going to have to question or justify too much for that, because that would be something that is standard in that area and I just try to minimize any viability or litigation to no questions that may arise yes, sir, I think that's that's good advice so cover one more here well yeah, we'll cover one more here and then we'll wind this down if we're getting at 45 minutes here. But what's the one thing we hear? No gun owners whenever they with their semi-autos. I'm gonna take my blanket of my gun. Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, sir, definitely Um what do you hear usually from the new shooters or people that aren't familiar with semi-autos? What are they referred to?

David, yeah oh, oh, they're clip. Yes, yeah, yeah. So that's one of the things that kind of I guess some people. You know, it's kind of like the Fingernails on the chartboard kind of thing. You know, right, yeah, it's, it's actually a magazine. So refer to this magazine now clip. You know, from my understanding, from everything that I've read and heard, when people the reason why people refer to them as clips goes back to the old military Style rifles that actually had a stripper clip in them. Right, the bullets would come loaded five or ten in this metal thing, that the, that the rim of the cartridge. It slid down the cartridge and you would then put that in the gun and it would hold them together and push down and it would load those guns into the magazine. I think the M ones were like that. Um, I Think maybe the old Bold action 1906 rifles, where I'm not too sure about that, I'm a. I know a lot of military rifles had the stripper clips right. I know that the SKS is, you can load that way if they, if they have the original magazines in them, right. But a lot of your older guns had stripper clips, and so that's where the term comes from the clip, and then, of course, that carried over into when we're at today. Where we're at today. People refer to it as a clip, so that's what I've always been told. Like I said, I'm you know. There may be some other things that may just be, but the proper terminology for it is a magazine magazine.

Yeah, it's, it's something that I don't let bother me too much. I use it, try to use it as a educational note, something to interject educationally whenever I hear somebody talk about Taking a clip out of their, their pistol. You know Us as responsible gun owners. We should be using the proper terms, industry terms and everything for what we're handling and what we're using. So that's one of the things that I yeah, I'm like you, I kind of cringe a little bit whenever I hear that term, but I I take it as a way to Use it as a Educational tip.

Yeah, it is definitely an educational moment and I didn't you know I mean, yeah, I've heard of people that know will jump down somebody's throat because they call it a clip instead of a magazine.

And yes, I'm saying, but I mean most people don't really know better.

Yeah, and, and that's cool and that's what they've always heard, and a lot of them got it from their grandparents who that, once again, that's how they used to load their farms, especially if you know your grandparent was in, you know, was in World War two or or something like that. Yeah, so that's pretty much all I have on clips and Magazines. Is there anything else that you would like to talk about?

No. I think this kind of gives a little bit. No, it's not an in-depth terminology that we want we were looking to discuss tonight, but they're just kind of Giving people some ideas of you know what terminology is is out there. That's important to the new firearm owner or the new person looking into getting into concealed carry. And just a Thing is it was a good starting point. We may look and dive into some other topics of with terms and definitions in a couple later episode, but down the road, but I think this was a good, good start. Anything else you want to, sir, interject before we sign off? Think I'm pretty good, all right, well, we appreciate everybody's listening and taking time to enjoy our podcast and we hope that you will keep on listening to our future episodes and we look forward to seeing you on the next episode. Thank you and have a good evening. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the host and the guest do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the podcast publisher, its Filliots or any other entity. The information contained in this podcast is for entertainment purposes only and should not be construed as medical, legal or financial advice. The podcast publisher and its affiliates assume no responsibility for any liability, loss or damage caused by the use of information contained in this podcast. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional before making any decisions based on the information contained in this podcast.